Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t..

I brought a boat into Manitoba about 2 yrs ago. I bought the 1988 Sea
Ray at a dealer. The previous owner who sold the boat to the dealer had no
title papers but the dealer had a state supplied form that stood in lieu of
title. Any dealer purchase documentation should suffice at the Canadian
border. If buying privately, be careful with the title papers. Make sure
they look legit. It's very important to have the boat & trailer purchase
docs separate from one another.
I showed up at the Canadian border at midnight. I paid my gst on boat
and trailer. They also collected PST on the boat only. They didn't even
look at the boat as its not subject to the Registrar of motor vehicles.
They checked serial number on the trailer and found it to be just a few
months older than the magic age of 15 yrs, exempting it from the registrar
of motor vehicles. Thus no $189 fee owing and no safety inspection at
Canadian Tire. It's a good thing because they probably would have made me
replace the entire surge brake system which is shot but not really necessary
for the 17 foot boat.
They didn't notice the Manitoba license plate that I had "borrowed" from my
old boat trailer before departing.
At the border, once all papers are taken care of, you can ask to license the
boat. They are the same dept. They will produce a form to fill out & sign
and will assign you the numbers you need for your boat. This process costs
nothing.

I then towed the boat home, went to the local insurance agent and
legally registered the trailer. At that point I paid the PST on the
trailer.

Note that the process of using your own plate is not legal. I chose to
do a grab & run and it worked. To do it legally, the dealer would have
issued me a sticker valid in that state only. I would have needed another
sticker from another state office for every state being towed through. In
my case the sticker would have gotten me as far as the border and then
becomes invalid in Canada. I suppose I could have thrown the plate on at
that point only, making the tow legal in the US.
I don't think the customs people care. You would then have to tow to the
nearest Canadian licensing office in Ontario for your plate. They may
require you safety the trailer first. They probably have a provisional
permit to get the thing home that day. This is where it gets sticky,
between govt. departments. It varies between provinces too. I also towed
the boat home with no insurance on boat or trailer. This is a bit reckless
but for a $4500 boat I took the risk. If it were more valuable I would have
phoned my home insurance provider from the US and have them insure the boat,
adding it to my home insurance policy. It would then have been covered for
the trip (boat only).

Note that Manitoba could not issue me a plate for the trailer before I
left. To get a plate you need purchase docs etc. Luckily I already had a
plate with almost identical trailer description. (white EZ loader trailer,
no serial number visible)

I had to pay state sales tax on the boat and trailer in Minnesota. The
dealer built it into the sales price for me, essentially absorbing the cost.
When he volunteered to do that I suspected that I paid too much for the
boat. Sigh. Some states will reimburse you the state sales tax on
purchases taken out of state. North Dakota does this but not Minnesota.
Try to find a boat for sale in North Dakota! The Canada customs agent may
or may not know about this form. At the Emerson Manitoba border crossing,
they provide these ND forms for convenience to Canadian cross border
shoppers. States that want to encourage cross border shopping will
reimburse the sales taxes.

After paying all the various taxes, I landed up with a boat costing
about $7000 CDN. In Manitoba, the boat is worth about $10,000 if you can
find one at all. As the Canadian dollar becomes stronger the price of US
boats is becoming more attractive. I would definitely do this again and
would recommend this process to anyone.

--
Denis Roy
D. Roy Woodcraft
www.ideasinwood.com
"Scott M. Foster" wrote in message

>I am new to this boating news group so forgive me if this question has been
>answered in detail in the past. I have read comments from both Jean Dufour
>and Terry Spragg and they are appreciated.
>
> However,
>
> I am curious if someone knows of a place I can go (i.e. website) where a
> group has put together a detailed process flow on how to go about
> purchasing a USED boat & trailer in the USA and import them both into
> Canada and get them both licensed and/or registered in Canada. I am
> currently interested in importing a used ( approx. 1988 to 1999) Direct
> Drive Ski boat & trailer (i.e. Mastercraft or Malibu etc).
>
> I have done some reading and to me, looking at the requirements from
> start to end, it appears I will possibly get involved with a number of
> government organizations. If done correctly, one might need to work with
> US Customs/gov't, Canadian Customs (CBSA), Ontario Ministry of
> Transportation, Transport Canada etc. etc.
>
> I have searched the net extensively and I have only found a few short
> "notes" on paying the required taxes (GST+PST =15%) ... NO DUTY on CAN/US
> boats), but I know there is much more to the whole process than just
> driving to the USA, buying the boat, and towing the boat and trailer back
> past the Ambassador Bridge Canadian Customs in Windsor. I want to look at
> the overall complete process or big picture including registration on
> both.
>
> I want to consider things like:
>
> 1. licensing the trailer with the ministry of Transportation or perhaps
> I need to bring a registered trailer plate to the US when I pick up the
> boat?
> 2. Do I have to report to the US gov't that I am taking this boat from
> the USA?
> 3. Do I have to pay American tax (sales tax etc.) on the purchase if I
> buy it privately or from a used boat dealer?
> 4. What customs form will I need, just the B3 form?
> 5. Will the boat fall under Transport Canada's Registrar of Imported
> Vehicles (RIV) program?
>
>
> I would be very appreciative to communicate with someone that has actually
> imported a boat and trailer into Ontario, Canada from the USA.
> Ideally, I want to get more tips such as the one Terry Spragg provided:
> (i.e. make sure you don't include accessories like life jackets, or survey
> costs, or trailer on the same invoice as the boat as they will be taxed
> too.)
>
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
>
> Scott M. Foster
>
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

BASED ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED HERE IS WHERE I AM AT:



HERE ARE THE STEPS I WILL TAKE IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A BOAT AND TRAILER IN
MICHIGAN, USA AND IMPORT THEM BOTH INTO ONTARIO, CANADA (INCLUDING ALL
REGISTRATION, LICENSING, INSURING, ETC.)



I still have some questions outstanding!



*******Please feel free to comment if I have forgotten anything or made a
mistake. I would appreciate anyone's insight.

1.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Make certain the trailer I purchase from the US
Dealer has a license plate and is registered in Michigan, USA, and has
insurance coverage based on that license plate. This will probably be
difficult, but based on what I have learned, it just seems that it might be
the only way I am able to legally tow the trailer through Michigan to the
boarder and then carry-on from the boarder through Ontario to my home in
London, Ontario. Of course I will have to return the license plate to the
dealership.


2.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Since the trailer will be less than 15 years old:
1.. Contact the trailer OEM or authorized dealer for the BOAT TRAILER
to obtain a RECALL CLEARANCE letter on official Company letterhead.
2.. Make sure the trailer has a VIN and Manufacture's statement of
compliance label/decal..and make sure the numbers match.
3.. Call the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV Program) @
1-888-848-8240 to have the trailers Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
verified ahead of time.


3. Drive to Michigan and do/get the following things:

i. In
regards to the BOAT --- Pay the owner and obtain a separate "bill of sale."

ii. In
regards to the TRAILER ---- Pay and obtain a separate "bill of sale" and
also have the dealer/owner sign over the TRAILER title of ownership
document.

iii. A Boat
Dealership recently informed me that I would not have to pay American Sales
tax.



4. Now that you own the boat and trailer, you can contact your
insurance agent and obtain insurance coverage on the boat and trailer.
(Find out what documentation the insurance company needs).



5. Before you cross back into Canada, you must report to United States
Customs (not sure if this is a true statement)..still investigating...If it
is true, is there fees associated with US Customs????



6. Drive across the bridge to Canadian Customs (now called CBSA).

i.
Produce your title document, registration and separate sales receipts for
the boat and trailer.

ii. CBSA
will give you FORM 1 to complete:



a. You pay GST and PST on the BOAT (15% total)

b. You can now request to license your pleasure craft with their
office. (Question: Do they use the same American License Number, (ie MC
2327 PN) or will you get a new one from Canada?

c. You pay GST on the TRAILER (7%)

d. Since the boat and trailer are manufactured in the USA, no duty
payment will apply.

e. In regards to the trailer, CBSA (Canadian Customs) will collect for
Transport Canada $209.00 CAN, which is the cost for one federal inspection
at a Canadian Tire Store (45 day limit to get this inspection done).



iii. For
the Trailer, at this point, you must wait 10 days to receive FORM 2 in the
mail, as this will tell you if you must take your trailer to Canadian Tire
to have it inspected and what needs to be done (if anything) to bring the
trailer into Canadian compliance.



iv. Once
you have obtained Form 2 and had the necessary trailer inspection done and
Canadian Tire has stamped FORM 1, indicating a PASS, you can then take it to
the Ontario Ministry of Transportation to be licensed. You will need:


i. Title of
the trailer that is signed over to you.


ii. Form 1 and
2 and the record of safety inspection (if required)


iii. Bill of
Sale


iv. You will
then need to pay PST (8%) on this purchase price exchanged to Canadian
Dollars.


v. Proof of
insurance.
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

Scott,
I don't believe you have to stop at U.S. customs. If the boat is
registered with the U.S. Coast Guard you may need to do that but your
U.S. broker should that.
Do make sure that you have documentation stating who made the boat and
when and where. I had to provide that.
Peter


Scott M. Foster wrote:
> BASED ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED HERE IS WHERE I AM AT:
>
>
>
> HERE ARE THE STEPS I WILL TAKE IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A BOAT AND TRAILER IN
> MICHIGAN, USA AND IMPORT THEM BOTH INTO ONTARIO, CANADA (INCLUDING ALL
> REGISTRATION, LICENSING, INSURING, ETC.)
>
>
>
> I still have some questions outstanding!
>
>
>
> *******Please feel free to comment if I have forgotten anything or made a
> mistake. I would appreciate anyone's insight.
>
> 1.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Make certain the trailer I purchase from the US
> Dealer has a license plate and is registered in Michigan, USA, and has
> insurance coverage based on that license plate. This will probably be
> difficult, but based on what I have learned, it just seems that it might be
> the only way I am able to legally tow the trailer through Michigan to the
> boarder and then carry-on from the boarder through Ontario to my home in
> London, Ontario. Of course I will have to return the license plate to the
> dealership.
>
>
> 2.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Since the trailer will be less than 15 years old:
> 1.. Contact the trailer OEM or authorized dealer for the BOAT TRAILER
> to obtain a RECALL CLEARANCE letter on official Company letterhead.
> 2.. Make sure the trailer has a VIN and Manufacture's statement of
> compliance label/decal..and make sure the numbers match.
> 3.. Call the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV Program) @
> 1-888-848-8240 to have the trailers Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
> verified ahead of time.
>
>
> 3. Drive to Michigan and do/get the following things:
>
> i. In
> regards to the BOAT --- Pay the owner and obtain a separate "bill of sale."
>
> ii. In
> regards to the TRAILER ---- Pay and obtain a separate "bill of sale" and
> also have the dealer/owner sign over the TRAILER title of ownership
> document.
>
> iii. A Boat
> Dealership recently informed me that I would not have to pay American Sales
> tax.
>
>
>
> 4. Now that you own the boat and trailer, you can contact your
> insurance agent and obtain insurance coverage on the boat and trailer.
> (Find out what documentation the insurance company needs).
>
>
>
> 5. Before you cross back into Canada, you must report to United States
> Customs (not sure if this is a true statement)..still investigating...If it
> is true, is there fees associated with US Customs????
>
>
>
> 6. Drive across the bridge to Canadian Customs (now called CBSA).
>
> i.
> Produce your title document, registration and separate sales receipts for
> the boat and trailer.
>
> ii. CBSA
> will give you FORM 1 to complete:
>
>
>
> a. You pay GST and PST on the BOAT (15% total)
>
> b. You can now request to license your pleasure craft with their
> office. (Question: Do they use the same American License Number, (ie MC
> 2327 PN) or will you get a new one from Canada?
>
> c. You pay GST on the TRAILER (7%)
>
> d. Since the boat and trailer are manufactured in the USA, no duty
> payment will apply.
>
> e. In regards to the trailer, CBSA (Canadian Customs) will collect for
> Transport Canada $209.00 CAN, which is the cost for one federal inspection
> at a Canadian Tire Store (45 day limit to get this inspection done).
>
>
>
> iii. For
> the Trailer, at this point, you must wait 10 days to receive FORM 2 in the
> mail, as this will tell you if you must take your trailer to Canadian Tire
> to have it inspected and what needs to be done (if anything) to bring the
> trailer into Canadian compliance.
>
>
>
> iv. Once
> you have obtained Form 2 and had the necessary trailer inspection done and
> Canadian Tire has stamped FORM 1, indicating a PASS, you can then take it to
> the Ontario Ministry of Transportation to be licensed. You will need:
>
>
> i. Title of
> the trailer that is signed over to you.
>
>
> ii. Form 1 and
> 2 and the record of safety inspection (if required)
>
>
> iii. Bill of
> Sale
>
>
> iv. You will
> then need to pay PST (8%) on this purchase price exchanged to Canadian
> Dollars.
>
>
> v. Proof of
> insurance.
>
>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

Hi Peter,
Thanks for your note.
I did do some further research today.......as I spoke to two separate US
Customs offices (Bluewater Bridge & Ambassador Bridge) and both officers
told me that before I bring the boat across the bridge to Canada I must have
already faxed the BOAT TITLE DOCUMENT 72 hours before coming to their US
Customs office on the US side of the border.
So just before I go across the bridge to Canada I must pull into US Customs
after paying at the Toll Booth and provide:

1. The original Boat Title and
2. Bring the Fax machine confirmation page showing that I in fact faxed it
72 hours in advance.

Basically, US Customs told me that they must do a Title Search and STAMP the
boat title document.
They say this is the only way CBSA (Canadian Customs) should really accept
the title document when I go provide it to them.

US Customs explained that they want record of all exports such as
this.......and it is for their information purposes..............and note
there is no fees or taxes associated with this.


BTW...I keep adding all these details to my master document.....which I will
post my master "PROCESS" later tonight.
Again, I am certainly not an authority......but I want to keep digging so
that I know all the details...and in's and out's before I go and do this.


"hal1401" wrote in message

> Scott,
> I don't believe you have to stop at U.S. customs. If the boat is
> registered with the U.S. Coast Guard you may need to do that but your U.S.
> broker should that.
> Do make sure that you have documentation stating who made the boat and
> when and where. I had to provide that.
> Peter
>
>
> Scott M. Foster wrote:
>> BASED ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED HERE IS WHERE I AM AT:
>>
>>
>>
>> HERE ARE THE STEPS I WILL TAKE IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A BOAT AND TRAILER IN
>> MICHIGAN, USA AND IMPORT THEM BOTH INTO ONTARIO, CANADA (INCLUDING ALL
>> REGISTRATION, LICENSING, INSURING, ETC.)
>>
>>
>>
>> I still have some questions outstanding!
>>
>>
>>
>> *******Please feel free to comment if I have forgotten anything or made a
>> mistake. I would appreciate anyone's insight.
>>
>> 1.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Make certain the trailer I purchase from the US
>> Dealer has a license plate and is registered in Michigan, USA, and has
>> insurance coverage based on that license plate. This will probably be
>> difficult, but based on what I have learned, it just seems that it might
>> be the only way I am able to legally tow the trailer through Michigan to
>> the boarder and then carry-on from the boarder through Ontario to my home
>> in London, Ontario. Of course I will have to return the license plate to
>> the dealership.
>>
>>
>> 2.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Since the trailer will be less than 15 years
>> old:
>> 1.. Contact the trailer OEM or authorized dealer for the BOAT
>> TRAILER to obtain a RECALL CLEARANCE letter on official Company
>> letterhead.
>> 2.. Make sure the trailer has a VIN and Manufacture's statement of
>> compliance label/decal..and make sure the numbers match.
>> 3.. Call the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV Program)
>> @ 1-888-848-8240 to have the trailers Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
>> verified ahead of time.
>>
>>
>> 3. Drive to Michigan and do/get the following things:
>>
>> i. In
>> regards to the BOAT --- Pay the owner and obtain a separate "bill of
>> sale."
>>
>> ii. In
>> regards to the TRAILER ---- Pay and obtain a separate "bill of sale" and
>> also have the dealer/owner sign over the TRAILER title of ownership
>> document.
>>
>> iii. A
>> Boat Dealership recently informed me that I would not have to pay
>> American Sales tax.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. Now that you own the boat and trailer, you can contact your
>> insurance agent and obtain insurance coverage on the boat and trailer.
>> (Find out what documentation the insurance company needs).
>>
>>
>>
>> 5. Before you cross back into Canada, you must report to United
>> States Customs (not sure if this is a true statement)..still
>> investigating...If it is true, is there fees associated with US
>> Customs????
>>
>>
>>
>> 6. Drive across the bridge to Canadian Customs (now called CBSA).
>>
>> i. Produce your
>> title document, registration and separate sales receipts for the boat and
>> trailer.
>>
>> ii.
>> CBSA will give you FORM 1 to complete:
>>
>>
>>
>> a. You pay GST and PST on the BOAT (15% total)
>>
>> b. You can now request to license your pleasure craft with their
>> office. (Question: Do they use the same American License Number, (ie MC
>> 2327 PN) or will you get a new one from Canada?
>>
>> c. You pay GST on the TRAILER (7%)
>>
>> d. Since the boat and trailer are manufactured in the USA, no duty
>> payment will apply.
>>
>> e. In regards to the trailer, CBSA (Canadian Customs) will collect
>> for Transport Canada $209.00 CAN, which is the cost for one federal
>> inspection at a Canadian Tire Store (45 day limit to get this inspection
>> done).
>>
>>
>>
>> iii. For
>> the Trailer, at this point, you must wait 10 days to receive FORM 2 in
>> the mail, as this will tell you if you must take your trailer to Canadian
>> Tire to have it inspected and what needs to be done (if anything) to
>> bring the trailer into Canadian compliance.
>>
>>
>>
>> iv. Once
>> you have obtained Form 2 and had the necessary trailer inspection done
>> and Canadian Tire has stamped FORM 1, indicating a PASS, you can then
>> take it to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation to be licensed. You
>> will need:
>>
>>
>> i. Title of the trailer that is signed over to you.
>>
>>
>> ii. Form 1 and 2 and the record of safety inspection (if
>> required)
>>
>>
>> iii. Bill of Sale
>>
>>
>> iv. You will then need to pay PST (8%) on this purchase price
>> exchanged to Canadian Dollars.
>>
>>
>> v. Proof of insurance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

BASED ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED HERE IS WHERE I AM AT (as at Jan06,2006):






THESE ARE THE STEPS I WILL TAKE IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A USED BOAT AND USED
TRAILER FROM A DEALER IN MICHIGAN, USA AND IMPORT THEM BOTH INTO ONTARIO,
CANADA (INCLUDING ALL REGISTRATION, LICENSING, INSURING, ETC.)



I still have some questions outstanding!



*******Please feel free to comment if I have forgotten any steps or critical
information or made a mistake. I would appreciate anyone's insight.

1. ------(PREPARATION STEPS) Make certain the trailer I purchase from the
US Dealer has a license plate and is registered in Michigan, USA, and has
insurance coverage based on that license plate. This will probably be
difficult, but based on what I have learned, it just seems that it might be
the only way or the with the dealers assistance am able to legally tow the
trailer through Michigan to the boarder and then carry-on from the boarder
through Ontario to my home in London, Ontario.

2. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) Before you can take the boat across the
boarder from Michigan to Canada, you must fax a copy of the BOAT TITLE to US
Customs a minimum of 72 hours in advance prior to crossing into Canada. US
Customs will do a "title search" on the BOAT.

2a) If you go to the Blue Water Bridge, fax the title to to
1-810-982-5473 Attn: Vinny

2b) If you go to the Ambassador Bridge, fax to 1-313-226-5347 FYI Tel#
is 1-313-226-3139



3. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) In regards to the BOAT, ---- Ensure you have
documentation that details:

3a) The name of the OEM

3b) Where the BOAT was manufactured.

3c) The date the BOAT was manufactured.



4. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) In regards to the TRAILER, ---- Ensure you
have documentation that details:

4a) The name of the OEM

4b) Where the TRAILER was manufactured.

4c) The date the TRAILER was manufactured.





5. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) Since the trailer will be less than 15 years
old:

5a) Contact the trailer OEM or authorized dealer for the trailer to obtain
a RECALL CLEARANCE letter on official Company letterhead.

5b) Make sure the trailer has a VIN and Manufacture's statement of
compliance label/decal..and make sure the numbers match.

5c) Call the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV Program) @
1-888-848-8240 to have the trailers Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
verified ahead of time as the RIV program people have often found cases were
the VIN numbers don't line up.



6. ----- Drive to Michigan and do/get the following things:

6a) In regards to the BOAT --- Pay the dealer and obtain a separate "bill
of sale."

6b) In regards to the TRAILER ---- Pay and obtain a separate "bill of
sale" and also have the dealer sign over the TRAILER's "title of ownership"
document.

6c) Finally, obtain a third invoice that is for the cost of the delivery
of the boat and trailer to Canada from the Dealer's store. This can be a
zero dollar invoice.

6d) A Boat Dealership recently informed me that I would not have to pay
American Sales tax. However, this is not 100% true, as further research and
clarification with Michigan Treasury Department @ 1-517-373-3200, they
communicated that in order to avoid having to pay Michigan's 6% Sales tax,
the dealer must deliver the boat & trailer to Canada. Therefore, if someone
simply goes to Michigan, USA and buys the BOAT and trailer and tows it to
Canada, the purchaser is responsible to pay the 6% Michigan sales tax.
Therefore, it maybe best to have an employee of the Dealership tow the boat
over the boarder into Canada. I would probably be best to accompany
them.....therefore keeping things 100% legit.



7. ----- Now that you own the boat and trailer, you can contact your
insurance agent and obtain insurance coverage on the boat and trailer.
(Find out what documentation the insurance company needs).



8. ----- Before you cross back into Canada, you must report to United
States Customs. You must pass through the bridge toll payment booth and
then proceed to pull into US Customs. NOTE that this step with US Customs
does not cost anything. US Customs simply wants to know what is permanently
leaving or exporting out of the country for information purposes only.
Assuming all is good with the TITLE Search, US Customs will stamp the
"TITLE" document and I am told that this is the only way Canadian Customs
really should accept the TITLE document when you present it to CBSA.



9. ----- Drive across the bridge to Canadian Customs (now called CBSA).

9a) Produce your stamped title document, registration and separate sales
receipts for the boat and trailer.

9b) CBSA will give you FORM 1 to complete:

9c) You pay GST and PST on the BOAT (15% total)

9d) You can now request to license your pleasure craft with their office.
(Question: Do they use the same American License Number, (ie MC 2327 PN) or
will you get a brand new one from Canada? Therefore I must remove the old
Michigan numbers???

9e) You pay GST on the TRAILER (7%)

9f) Since the boat and trailer are manufactured in the USA, no duty
payment will apply.

9g) In regards to the trailer, CBSA (Canadian Customs) will collect for
Transport Canada $209.00 CAN, which is the cost for one federal inspection
at a Canadian Tire Store (45 day limit to get this inspection done).

9h) For the Trailer, at this point, you must wait 10 days to receive FORM 2
in the mail, as this will tell you if you must take your trailer to Canadian
Tire to have it inspected and what needs to be done (if anything) to bring
the trailer into Canadian compliance.



10. ----- Once you have obtained Form 2 and had the necessary trailer
inspection done and Canadian Tire has stamped FORM 1, indicating a PASS, you
can then go to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation to obtain a license
for the trailer. You will need:

10a) Title of the trailer that is signed over to you.

10b) Form 1 and 2 and the record of safety inspection (if required)

10c) Bill of Sale

10d) You will then need to pay PST (8%) on this purchase price exchanged
to Canadian Dollars.

10e) Proof of insurance.

QUESTION: (I still need to find out what the total MOT cost/fees to get a
new trailer licensed and plated. I am uncertain if I can use an old license
plate from an old boat trailer I had? Anyone know??
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

Scott,
Since I used a customs broker and a U.S. boat broker all I can assume
that between them that they did whatever. Certainly the truck carrying
my boat did not stop at U.S. Customs. I was right behind him.
But this was before 9/11 and I am told by my trucking friend that
everything has changed since then.
Peter

Scott M. Foster wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> Thanks for your note.
> I did do some further research today.......as I spoke to two separate US
> Customs offices (Bluewater Bridge & Ambassador Bridge) and both officers
> told me that before I bring the boat across the bridge to Canada I must have
> already faxed the BOAT TITLE DOCUMENT 72 hours before coming to their US
> Customs office on the US side of the border.
> So just before I go across the bridge to Canada I must pull into US Customs
> after paying at the Toll Booth and provide:
>
> 1. The original Boat Title and
> 2. Bring the Fax machine confirmation page showing that I in fact faxed it
> 72 hours in advance.
>
> Basically, US Customs told me that they must do a Title Search and STAMP the
> boat title document.
> They say this is the only way CBSA (Canadian Customs) should really accept
> the title document when I go provide it to them.
>
> US Customs explained that they want record of all exports such as
> this.......and it is for their information purposes..............and note
> there is no fees or taxes associated with this.
>
>
> BTW...I keep adding all these details to my master document.....which I will
> post my master "PROCESS" later tonight.
> Again, I am certainly not an authority......but I want to keep digging so
> that I know all the details...and in's and out's before I go and do this.
>
>
> "hal1401" wrote in message
>
>
>>Scott,
>>I don't believe you have to stop at U.S. customs. If the boat is
>>registered with the U.S. Coast Guard you may need to do that but your U.S.
>>broker should that.
>>Do make sure that you have documentation stating who made the boat and
>>when and where. I had to provide that.
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>Scott M. Foster wrote:
>>
>>>BASED ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED HERE IS WHERE I AM AT:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>HERE ARE THE STEPS I WILL TAKE IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A BOAT AND TRAILER IN
>>>MICHIGAN, USA AND IMPORT THEM BOTH INTO ONTARIO, CANADA (INCLUDING ALL
>>>REGISTRATION, LICENSING, INSURING, ETC.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I still have some questions outstanding!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*******Please feel free to comment if I have forgotten anything or made a
>>>mistake. I would appreciate anyone's insight.
>>>
>>> 1.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Make certain the trailer I purchase from the US
>>>Dealer has a license plate and is registered in Michigan, USA, and has
>>>insurance coverage based on that license plate. This will probably be
>>>difficult, but based on what I have learned, it just seems that it might
>>>be the only way I am able to legally tow the trailer through Michigan to
>>>the boarder and then carry-on from the boarder through Ontario to my home
>>>in London, Ontario. Of course I will have to return the license plate to
>>>the dealership.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.. (PREPARATION STEPS) Since the trailer will be less than 15 years
>>>old:
>>> 1.. Contact the trailer OEM or authorized dealer for the BOAT
>>>TRAILER to obtain a RECALL CLEARANCE letter on official Company
>>>letterhead.
>>> 2.. Make sure the trailer has a VIN and Manufacture's statement of
>>>compliance label/decal..and make sure the numbers match.
>>> 3.. Call the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV Program)
>>>@ 1-888-848-8240 to have the trailers Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
>>>verified ahead of time.
>>>
>>>
>>>3. Drive to Michigan and do/get the following things:
>>>
>>> i. In
>>>regards to the BOAT --- Pay the owner and obtain a separate "bill of
>>>sale."
>>>
>>> ii. In
>>>regards to the TRAILER ---- Pay and obtain a separate "bill of sale" and
>>>also have the dealer/owner sign over the TRAILER title of ownership
>>>document.
>>>
>>> iii. A
>>>Boat Dealership recently informed me that I would not have to pay
>>>American Sales tax.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>4. Now that you own the boat and trailer, you can contact your
>>>insurance agent and obtain insurance coverage on the boat and trailer.
>>>(Find out what documentation the insurance company needs).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>5. Before you cross back into Canada, you must report to United
>>>States Customs (not sure if this is a true statement)..still
>>>investigating...If it is true, is there fees associated with US
>>>Customs????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>6. Drive across the bridge to Canadian Customs (now called CBSA).
>>>
>>> i. Produce your
>>>title document, registration and separate sales receipts for the boat and
>>>trailer.
>>>
>>> ii.
>>>CBSA will give you FORM 1 to complete:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>a. You pay GST and PST on the BOAT (15% total)
>>>
>>>b. You can now request to license your pleasure craft with their
>>>office. (Question: Do they use the same American License Number, (ie MC
>>>2327 PN) or will you get a new one from Canada?
>>>
>>>c. You pay GST on the TRAILER (7%)
>>>
>>>d. Since the boat and trailer are manufactured in the USA, no duty
>>>payment will apply.
>>>
>>>e. In regards to the trailer, CBSA (Canadian Customs) will collect
>>>for Transport Canada $209.00 CAN, which is the cost for one federal
>>>inspection at a Canadian Tire Store (45 day limit to get this inspection
>>>done).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> iii. For
>>>the Trailer, at this point, you must wait 10 days to receive FORM 2 in
>>>the mail, as this will tell you if you must take your trailer to Canadian
>>>Tire to have it inspected and what needs to be done (if anything) to
>>>bring the trailer into Canadian compliance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> iv. Once
>>>you have obtained Form 2 and had the necessary trailer inspection done
>>>and Canadian Tire has stamped FORM 1, indicating a PASS, you can then
>>>take it to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation to be licensed. You
>>>will need:
>>>
>>>
>>>i. Title of the trailer that is signed over to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>ii. Form 1 and 2 and the record of safety inspection (if
>>>required)
>>>
>>>
>>>iii. Bill of Sale
>>>
>>>
>>>iv. You will then need to pay PST (8%) on this purchase price
>>>exchanged to Canadian Dollars.
>>>
>>>
>>>v. Proof of insurance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

BASED ON WHAT I HAVE LEARNED HERE IS WHERE I AM AT (as at January 14,
2006):



THESE ARE THE STEPS I WILL TAKE IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A USED BOAT AND USED
TRAILER FROM A DEALER IN MICHIGAN, USA AND IMPORT THEM BOTH INTO ONTARIO,
CANADA (INCLUDING ALL REGISTRATION, LICENSING, INSURING, ETC.)



Obviously I am following the letter of the law and making a diligent effort
to cross every "i" and dot ever single "t".



Please note that I am told that as of April 1, 2006, CBSA will no longer be
administering the issuing of Pleasure boat licenses. Transport Canada will
be relinquishing this job from CBSA and taking it over themselves. I have
no other details on this transition.



1. ------(PREPARATION STEPS) Make certain the trailer I purchase from the
US Dealer has a license plate and is registered in Michigan, USA, and has
insurance coverage based on that license plate. This will probably be
difficult, but based on what I have learned, it just seems that it might be
the only way or the with the dealers assistance am able to legally tow the
trailer through Michigan to the boarder and then carry-on from the boarder
through Ontario to my home in London, Ontario.

2. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) Before you can take the boat across the
boarder from Michigan to Canada, you must fax a copy of the BOAT TITLE to US
Customs a minimum of 72 hours in advance prior to crossing into Canada. US
Customs will do a "title search" on the BOAT.

2.a) If you go to the Blue Water Bridge, fax the title to to
1-810-982-5473 Attn: Vinny

2.b) If you go to the Ambassador Bridge, fax to 1-313-226-5347 FYI Tel#
is 1-313-226-3139



3. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) In regards to the BOAT, ---- Ensure you have
documentation that details:

3.a) The name of the OEM

3.b) Where the BOAT was manufactured.

3.c) The date the BOAT was manufactured.



4. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) In regards to the TRAILER, ---- Ensure you
have documentation that details:

4.a) The name of the OEM

4.b) Where the TRAILER was manufactured.

4.c) The date the TRAILER was manufactured.





5. ----- (PREPARATION STEPS) Since the trailer will be less than 15 years
old:

5.a) Contact the trailer OEM or authorized dealer for the trailer to obtain
a RECALL CLEARANCE letter on official Company letterhead.

5.b) Make sure the trailer has a VIN and Manufacture's statement of
compliance label/decal..and make sure the numbers match.

5.c) Call the Canadian Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV Program) @
1-888-848-8240 to have the trailers Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
verified ahead of time as the RIV program people have often found cases were
the VIN numbers don't line up.



6. ----- Drive to Michigan and do/get the following things:

6.a) In regards to the BOAT --- Pay the dealer and obtain a separate
"bill of sale."

6b) In regards to the TRAILER ---- Pay and obtain a separate "bill of
sale" and also have the dealer sign over the TRAILER's "title of ownership"
document.

6.c) Finally, obtain a third invoice that is for the cost of the delivery
of the boat and trailer to Canada from the Dealer's store. This can be a
zero dollar invoice.

6.d) A Boat Dealership recently informed me that I would not have to pay
American Sales tax. However, this is not 100% true, as further research and
clarification with Michigan Treasury Department @ 1-517-373-3200, they
communicated that in order to avoid having to pay Michigan's 6% Sales tax,
the dealer must deliver the boat & trailer to Canada. Therefore, if someone
simply goes to Michigan, USA and buys the BOAT and trailer and tows it to
Canada, the purchaser is responsible to pay the 6% Michigan sales tax.
Therefore, it maybe best to have an employee of the Dealership tow the boat
over the boarder into Canada. I would probably be best to accompany
them.....therefore keeping things 100% legit.



7. ----- Now that you own the boat and trailer, you can contact your
insurance agent and obtain insurance coverage on the boat and trailer.
(Find out what documentation the insurance company needs).



8. ----- Before you cross back into Canada, you must report to United
States Customs. You must pass through the bridge toll payment booth and
then proceed to pull into US Customs. NOTE that this step with US Customs
does not cost anything. US Customs simply wants to know what is permanently
leaving or exporting out of the country for information purposes only.
Assuming all is good with the TITLE Search and there are no liens on the
boat, US Customs will stamp the "TITLE" document and I am told that this is
the only way Canadian Customs really should accept the TITLE document when
you present it to CBSA.



9. ----- Drive across the bridge to Canadian Customs (now called CBSA).

9.a) Produce your stamped title document, registration and separate sales
receipts for the boat and trailer.

9.b) CBSA will give you FORM 1 to complete:

9.c) You pay GST and PST on the BOAT (15% total)

9.d) You can now request to license your pleasure craft with their office.
This is done by asking CBSA to provide you with Transport Canada form number
84-0172 (0404-01) titled "APPLICATION FOR PLEASURE CRAFT LICENSE"..

9.d) 1) On this form you will be asked for a few pieces of information, some
of which include:

Hull identification Number

Gross Tonnage of the boat

Compliance Label.

9.d) 2) Now, the interesting thing about the COMPLIANCE LABEL is that this
must be obtained from Transport Canada because you see, the boat was never
intended for export to Canada. If it was going to be exported to Canada the
boat manufacturer would have had to supply your boat with a label issued by
TRANSPORT CANADA. The information on this label includes maximum occupants,
maximum power, Builder Identification number, model number, etc. etc.

9.d) 3) In reality, CBSA will likely issue your license with out having this
label number. (I am told they really shouldn't, but they do.)

9.d) 4) However, to drive your boat in Canada, it is law that you must have
this label issued by Transport Canada.

9.d) 5) So how do you get one??? Well, you must download Transport Canada's
PDF document titled, Construction Standards for Small Vessels, TP1332.
Refer to Appendix A2.0. There are a number of forms you need to fill out
giving details about your boat ie type of hull, length, hull material etc.
etc.. Also, they require four (4) photographs from various angles too.

9.d) 6) Now, once you have sent Transport Canada a fully complete
application you will receive in the mail within 30 days an Exemption letter
or what is called an Acknowledgment letter. Keep this letter with your
boat. This is because Transport Canada has a backlog of many applications
and it could take as much as a year to process your application and send you
your label sticker.

9.d) 7) The cost for this is only $5.00 CDN. A cheque payable to the
Receiver General of Canada needs to be included in your application package.



9.e) Also note, the existing American License Number, (ie MC 2327 PN) will
need to be removed as you will be issued a new Canadian license number.

9.f) You pay GST on the TRAILER (7%)

9.g) Since the boat and trailer are manufactured in the USA, no duty
payment will apply.

9.h) In regards to the trailer, CBSA (Canadian Customs) will collect for
Transport Canada $209.00 CAN, which is the cost for one federal inspection
at a Canadian Tire Store (45 day limit to get this inspection done).

9.i) For the Trailer, at this point, you must wait 10 days to receive FORM
2 in the mail, as this will tell you if you must take your trailer to
Canadian Tire to have it inspected and what needs to be done (if anything)
to bring the trailer into Canadian compliance.



10. ----- Once you have obtained Form 2 and had the necessary trailer
inspection done and Canadian Tire has stamped FORM 1, indicating a PASS, you
can then go to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation to obtain a license
for the trailer. You will need:

10.a) Title of the trailer that is signed over to you.

10.b) Form 1 and 2 and the record of safety inspection (if required)

10.c) Bill of Sale

10.d) You will then need to pay PST (8%) on this purchase price exchanged
to Canadian Dollars.

10.e) Proof of insurance.

10.f) MOT will charge you $20.00 CDN for the new plate and registration of
it.

10.g) If you have an old (but not too old) plate that is in good condition,
it will be $10.00 to register it to this new trailer.
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Very complete, comprehensive, and detailed, Scott.

But please remind me, why in heck are you going to all this bother? Is that
model of boat just not available here in Canada, or was it a case of finding
an irresistable deal?

ps: please clarify what your comment "Transport Canada will be relinquishing
this job from CBSA and taking it over themselves." means.

I -think- you meant to say that CBSA is "relinquishing" it, and that
Transport Canada is taking it over. Am I right?
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

Hello Buck,

Many thanks for your inquiry.

Please find the responses to your questions below:

1. My research indicates that in regards to USED direct drive ski boats
(MY1985-1995) such as Mastercraft/Malibu, there is a variance between the
end price (price plus applicable taxes) one would expect to pay in Canada
vs. the end imported price from the USA. In addition, there is a greater
number of USED direct drive ski boats available forsale in the USA. Also,
at this point in time, the exchange rate (CDN to USD) is very good and note
the economy in the Michigan area is not doing so well as many people are
concerned about the state of automotive companies (large employers) such as
General Motors, Delphi, Ford, and Visteon. For these reasons, it appears to
be a good time to investigate this used boat market.

2. As it stands now, to my knowledge, CBSA administers the "Pleasure Craft
license" program for Transport Canada (TC). This means that CBSA provides
you with a Transport Canada form titled "APPLICATION FOR PLEASURE CRAFT
LICENSE." I have been told that as of April 1, 2006 CBSA will no longer be
issuing pleasure craft licenses out of their offices. Therefore, yes, CBSA
will be handing over the records and entire program to TC. I would assume
that of the Department of Boating Safety within TC will be looking after
this program.
You are correct, my use of the word, "relinquish" was incorrect in that
context.
Sorry about that! Good catch.

I hope this clarifies any confusion.

Thank you.
Scott M. Foster


"Buck Frobisher" wrote in message

> Very complete, comprehensive, and detailed, Scott.
>
> But please remind me, why in heck are you going to all this bother? Is
> that model of boat just not available here in Canada, or was it a case of
> finding an irresistable deal?
>
> ps: please clarify what your comment "Transport Canada will be
> relinquishing this job from CBSA and taking it over themselves." means.
>
> I -think- you meant to say that CBSA is "relinquishing" it, and that
> Transport Canada is taking it over. Am I right?
>
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

"Scott M. Foster" wrote in message

> Hello Buck,
>
> Many thanks for your inquiry.
>
> Please find the responses to your questions below:
>
> 1. My research indicates that in regards to USED direct drive ski boats
> (MY1985-1995) such as Mastercraft/Malibu, there is a variance between the
> end price (price plus applicable taxes) one would expect to pay in Canada
> vs. the end imported price from the USA. In addition, there is a greater
> number of USED direct drive ski boats available forsale in the USA. Also,
> at this point in time, the exchange rate (CDN to USD) is very good and
> note the economy in the Michigan area is not doing so well as many people
> are concerned about the state of automotive companies (large employers)
> such as General Motors, Delphi, Ford, and Visteon. For these reasons, it
> appears to be a good time to investigate this used boat market.
>
> 2. As it stands now, to my knowledge, CBSA administers the "Pleasure
> Craft license" program for Transport Canada (TC). This means that CBSA
> provides you with a Transport Canada form titled "APPLICATION FOR PLEASURE
> CRAFT LICENSE." I have been told that as of April 1, 2006 CBSA will no
> longer be issuing pleasure craft licenses out of their offices.
> Therefore, yes, CBSA will be handing over the records and entire program
> to TC. I would assume that of the Department of Boating Safety within TC
> will be looking after this program.
> You are correct, my use of the word, "relinquish" was incorrect in that
> context.
> Sorry about that! Good catch.
>
> I hope this clarifies any confusion.
>
> Thank you.
> Scott M. Foster
>

Scott,

Thanks for the clarification, now I see that you're starting a "second
career" of moving a few boats?

Cheers, and good luck.!
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as much as i hate to say it..get a CDN Ont boat broker to assist you. They
may even tell you what you need to know for free..........well, ok that was
cruel, but they might assist you if you ask. I have met some helpful and
caring ones...ask a few before giving up.

"hal1401" wrote in message

> Scott,
> You drive to the U.S. you hook trailer and boat to your tow vehicle and
> tow it to the border. You pay GST at the border for the boat and the
> trailer. You visit an Ontario Vehicle License bureau and you pay PST on
> the trailer and the boat.
> End of story.
> I used a broker so as not to delay the trucker who was carrying my boat
> but the Canadian Customs Officer asked me why I went to the extra expense
> of the broker. U.S. officials have nothing to do with importing the boat
> to Canada.
> Except that I would make very sure that the seller has clear title to
> trailer and boat and that there are no liens, etc.
> I did that by going through a U.S. boat broker.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
> Scott M. Foster wrote:
>> I am new to this boating news group so forgive me if this question has
>> been answered in detail in the past. I have read comments from both Jean
>> Dufour and Terry Spragg and they are appreciated.
>>
>> However,
>>
>> I am curious if someone knows of a place I can go (i.e. website) where a
>> group has put together a detailed process flow on how to go about
>> purchasing a USED boat & trailer in the USA and import them both into
>> Canada and get them both licensed and/or registered in Canada. I am
>> currently interested in importing a used ( approx. 1988 to 1999) Direct
>> Drive Ski boat & trailer (i.e. Mastercraft or Malibu etc).
>>
>> I have done some reading and to me, looking at the requirements from
>> start to end, it appears I will possibly get involved with a number of
>> government organizations. If done correctly, one might need to work with
>> US Customs/gov't, Canadian Customs (CBSA), Ontario Ministry of
>> Transportation, Transport Canada etc. etc.
>>
>> I have searched the net extensively and I have only found a few short
>> "notes" on paying the required taxes (GST+PST =15%) ... NO DUTY on CAN/US
>> boats), but I know there is much more to the whole process than just
>> driving to the USA, buying the boat, and towing the boat and trailer back
>> past the Ambassador Bridge Canadian Customs in Windsor. I want to look
>> at the overall complete process or big picture including registration on
>> both.
>>
>> I want to consider things like:
>>
>> 1. licensing the trailer with the ministry of Transportation or perhaps
>> I need to bring a registered trailer plate to the US when I pick up the
>> boat?
>> 2. Do I have to report to the US gov't that I am taking this boat from
>> the USA?
>> 3. Do I have to pay American tax (sales tax etc.) on the purchase if I
>> buy it privately or from a used boat dealer?
>> 4. What customs form will I need, just the B3 form?
>> 5. Will the boat fall under Transport Canada's Registrar of Imported
>> Vehicles (RIV) program?
>>
>>
>> I would be very appreciative to communicate with someone that has
>> actually imported a boat and trailer into Ontario, Canada from the USA.
>> Ideally, I want to get more tips such as the one Terry Spragg provided:
>> (i.e. make sure you don't include accessories like life jackets, or
>> survey costs, or trailer on the same invoice as the boat as they will be
>> taxed too.)
>>
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
>>
>> Scott M. Foster
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

Scott has agreed to let us use this research on "Boating in Canada". You
can find "Buying a Boat & Trailer in the USA" from the page about
'buying a boat' or at: http://boatingincanada.com/buy-usa.html
----
Pat Drummond, Ottawa
http://BoatinginCanada.com ~ Since 1996

Scott M. Foster wrote:
> Hello Buck,
>
> Many thanks for your inquiry.
>
> Please find the responses to your questions below:
>
> 1. My research indicates that in regards to USED direct drive ski boats
> (MY1985-1995) such as Mastercraft/Malibu, there is a variance between the
> end price (price plus applicable taxes) one would expect to pay in Canada
> vs. the end imported price from the USA. In addition, there is a greater
> number of USED direct drive ski boats available forsale in the USA. Also,
> at this point in time, the exchange rate (CDN to USD) is very good and note
> the economy in the Michigan area is not doing so well as many people are
> concerned about the state of automotive companies (large employers) such as
> General Motors, Delphi, Ford, and Visteon. For these reasons, it appears to
> be a good time to investigate this used boat market.
>
> 2. As it stands now, to my knowledge, CBSA administers the "Pleasure Craft
> license" program for Transport Canada (TC). This means that CBSA provides
> you with a Transport Canada form titled "APPLICATION FOR PLEASURE CRAFT
> LICENSE." I have been told that as of April 1, 2006 CBSA will no longer be
> issuing pleasure craft licenses out of their offices. Therefore, yes, CBSA
> will be handing over the records and entire program to TC. I would assume
> that of the Department of Boating Safety within TC will be looking after
> this program.
> You are correct, my use of the word, "relinquish" was incorrect in that
> context.
> Sorry about that! Good catch.
>
> I hope this clarifies any confusion.
>
> Thank you.
> Scott M. Foster
>
>
> "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message
>
>
>>Very complete, comprehensive, and detailed, Scott.
>>
>>But please remind me, why in heck are you going to all this bother? Is
>>that model of boat just not available here in Canada, or was it a case of
>>finding an irresistable deal?
>>
>>ps: please clarify what your comment "Transport Canada will be
>>relinquishing this job from CBSA and taking it over themselves." means.
>>
>>I -think- you meant to say that CBSA is "relinquishing" it, and that
>>Transport Canada is taking it over. Am I right?
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Buying a Boat and Trailer in Michigan, USA and Importing t.. 

You have all missed the requirements of the Ministry of transport for the
....what the heck is it called the compliamce plate, you MUST on all boats
entering canada apply for this plate, takes about a year a bit of a pain to
do but if you dont and you get pulled over ..you face big fines...you know
the plate that says how many people can be on the boat...that plate...you
have to do some home work on this....so beware!! its in the Ontario small
craft requirement book towards the end

Also remeber!! transporting is getting very costly so before you jump at
that great deal on ebay....what used to cost 4k from florida now is up to
10k plus...and the marina's in the USA charge big bucks to lift boats and
step masts figure adding 1500 pls to that end...be smart look into all cost
before you jump...news groups are great but pick up the phone first!!that
ebay deal suddenly loses its luster

Randy
Yachtware Canada
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